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We Need a Bigger House – Jonah Goldberg

Copied and posted completely, this is an interesting concept. Politics have become quite vitriolic of late, and we are need of a way to broaden the conversation so to speak, to return to our American political roots. (Source)

Watching the House of Representatives on late-night C-SPAN, you might have any number of reactions, including seppuku-inducing boredom. Depending on who’s talking, you might also feel disgust, rage, contempt, or, in rare cases, inspiration. But one reaction you probably won’t have is: “Gosh, if only there were more of these jokers.”

That’s too bad. Because what our political system may be lacking more than anything else is enough members of Congress. No, really. Seriously, stop laughing.

Except for a brief effort to accommodate Alaska and Hawaii, the size of the House has been frozen at 435 members since 1911. A 1929 law, driven in part by a desire to keep immigrants underrepresented, has kept it that way.

But there’s nothing sacred about the 435 number. In fact, the Founders would be aghast at the idea that the “peoples’ house” is filled with pols speaking for hundreds of thousands of citizens.

In Federalist No. 55, James Madison defended the proposed Constitution’s apportionment clause despite its widespread unpopularity. The chief complaints, according to Madison, were that such a small Congress would become an “unsafe depository of the public interests”; that the districts would be too large and diverse for any politician to “possess a proper knowledge of the local circumstances of their numerous constituents”; and that such a tiny House would have the net result of attracting elitist types whose aim would be the “permanent elevation of the few on the depression of the many.”

So how big were these liberty-threatening districts? How tiny was the potentially oligarchic House? The districts had no more than 30,000 people, yielding 65 representatives. Under today’s apportionment system, the “ideal” congressional district is 700,000 people, with some districts reaching nearly 1 million. Montana, with a population of 958,000, has just one representative, but each of Rhode Island’s two districts has about 530,000 people.

There is, of course, an important principle here, and if all of Montana’s residents were black, it would be easier for everyone to see it. Montanans’ votes don’t count as much as Rhode Islanders’ — in fact, a Montanan’s vote only counts for about three-fifths of a Rhode Islander’s. That America’s slave population was counted by the same ratio under the original Constitution is usually cited, rightly, as one of the document’s greatest sins. A lawsuit filed in federal court in Mississippi last month hopes to force Congress to remedy the status quo’s assault on the one-person, one-vote principle by increasing Congress to as many as a paltry 1,761 members.

Beyond principle, there are practical reasons to expand Congress. For decades, presidential candidates have promised to change the “way Washington works.” But once elected, they’re soon captured by their own congressional parties, which are in turn beholden to the “old bulls” and constituencies rooted in interests outside their districts.

A Congress of, say, 5,000 citizen-legislators would change that overnight. Would it cost more money? Yes. But today’s huge staffs could be cut, and perks and pork might even be curtailed by using the old chewing gum rule: If there’s not enough for everyone, nobody can have any.

Term-limit activists have the right idea — getting new blood in Washington — but their remedy is anti-democratic. The trick is to swamp Congress with new blood and new ideas. Want more minorities in Congress? Done. Want more libertarians? More socialists? More blue-collar workers? Done, done, done.

In free-speech debates, it’s often said that the cure for bad speech is more speech. Well, the cure for a calcified Congress just might be more members; the remedy for an undemocratic system, more democracy.

When you look at the congressional corruption scandals of the last 20 years, it’s hard not to see them as stemming from a system that has, in fact, led to the “permanent elevation of the few on the depression of the many.”

Critics of the status quo from the left and right yearn to shatter the two-party system’s lock on politics. I’m not convinced that would be a good thing, but wouldn’t the best way to do that be for smaller parties in Congress to champion fresh new ideas? Rather than have some billionaire egomaniac who, in effect, creates or co-opts a ridiculous third party just so he can indulge his presidential ambitions, why not have third, fourth, or 15th parties test their wares in a smaller political market and build themselves up to where they could field a president?

Obviously, the rajahs of incumbentstan don’t like the prospect of diluting their own power. But expanding Congress would, among other things, make late-night C-SPAN so much more entertaining. – We Need a Bigger House by Jonah Goldberg

Dec 13, 2009 • OP-ED, Politics

18 Responses

  1. Larry • 2 years ago

    Rajahs of Incumbentstan
    haha
    I wanted you to know I read this and please give me some time to formulate a proper response.

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  2. Mike • 2 years ago

    Ha. Thanks Larry.

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  3. Mike • 2 years ago

    I am a conversation killer…..

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  4. larry • 2 years ago

    two words: FINAL EXAMS
    sorry

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  5. larry • 2 years ago

    Quick someone post something new!!

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  6. Mike • 2 years ago

    There’s nothing, so I’m going to artificially increase the comment count on this post.

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  7. Jared • 2 years ago

    Goldberg is crazy, the House can barely get anything done as it is; the more members that need to be wrangled in the less that will be accomplished. Although that is probably his goal as a conservative wanker, moron (yes, an ad hominem attack to begin my rebuttal).

    Also, what kind of crazies would get into the House with a 5,000 member limit? What kind of crazy liberal and conservative ideas would there be. There would arguably be more scandals and less faith in government.

    I guess using Madison was a good touch, the whole idea of more factions and ambition counteracting ambition. It is just too bad Goldberg wrongly characterizes Madison and Federalist 55. The quotes he uses are taken in precisely the opposite context. Madison was defending having such a small house against the critics of the time that said 65 members were too little. Madison said it was not too small for various reasons, and goes on to say that it will increase with population growth.

    The truth is, for anyone with even a fucking 8th grade understanding of Madison, that he would have vehemently opposed a large House.

    Madison: “Sixty or seventy men may be more properly trusted with a given degree of power than six or seven. But it does not follow that six or seven hundred would be proportionably a better depositary. And if we carry on the supposition to six or seven thousand, the whole reasoning ought to be reversed. The truth is, that in all cases a certain number at least seems to be necessary to secure the benefits of free consultation and discussion, and to guard against too easy a combination for improper purposes; as, on the other hand, the number ought at most to be kept within a certain limit, in order to avoid the confusion and intemperance of a multitude. In all very numerous assemblies, of whatever character composed, passion never fails to wrest the sceptre from reason. Had every Athenian citizen been a Socrates, every Athenian assembly would still have been a mob.”

    Quoting, of course, the real message of Federalist 55. Goldberg is a fucking hack, maybe he should read the whole text and get a proper understanding of it before he uses it to support is proposition.

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  8. Mike • 2 years ago

    Yep, conervatives are nut job morons, the lot of them. And racist, fear mongering buffoons to boot. Afraid of change, and anything different; they all hate science, think the earth is 6,000 years old; they’re misogynists; they hate the planet; etc.

    Perhaps, the idea of a 5,000 member house goes against everything Madison discusses, but the larger point that crazy, nut Goldberg makes in my mind seems legitimate.

    Making it more difficult to get things done by introducing more factions, by making it easier to include candidates from parties other than the big two, and therefore, as in many a parliament, putting a coalition of folks together that would get competing factions working together in order to introduce some of those more unusual but perhaps better ideas that cannot be introduced for one reason or another.

    Frankly, I don’t like the idea proposed here, and perhaps it could be argued the house is very much a mob now, but there is something to be said for the introduction of new political ideas with the inclusion of new political parties. Plus getting less done in Congress means less opportunity for liberties to be infringed on. And by liberties I mean taxes. And by taxes I mean property.

    Maybe this makes me as crazy as Goldberg, but I’m getting a little tired of what appears to be a very entrenched political class.

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  9. jared • 2 years ago

    More House members would just eventually be engrossed into the main parties because coalitions with the main two would be needed to pass laws. More parties might introduce outside the box thinking but that is all it will be, an introduced piece of legislation that never gets a committee hearing because the main two parties chair all the committees.

    I’m attacking Goldberg, not Conservatives in general. I don’t mind them, nor the Liberals; the natural balance they create is what keeps the country from swaying too far in either direction. Our current system works just fine in stopping radicalism by slowing the movement of legislation and change.

    Taxes can be counterproductive at a certain level, and they do halt economic growth. Plus I hate the idea of extended unemployment benefits and Welfare is questionable. But most of our tax dollars go for things that we take for granted everyday. Not to mention, none of us will probably ever make enough money to be affected significantly by our tax burden. After deductions and what not, what do you end up paying 10-15%?

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  10. 8th Grade Stunner • 2 years ago

    what constitutes a “grade-level” understanding of a person? i need that defined for me.
    you can PM @ steveaustin316@hotmail.com

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  11. Mike • 2 years ago

    I know you’re not attacking conservatives, I was joining in on the fun of generalizing.

    I would still like to see those other parties involved in the process, whether or not their ideas are introduced in legislation; their ideas will be respected enough if either major party expects any sort of coalition, caucus, or whatever you want to call it. They may be in the fold so to speak, but if their ideas are important enough, opposing their major coalition won’t be a problem.

    Here is where we are affected by taxes on the ‘rich’: jobs, be it in the form of compensation, or being hired. Taxes on the rich are eventually filtered right on down the line. Whether or not my burden is great matters little to me, because the effect of the burden on others will be felt by me.

    I don’t want to abolish taxes completely: roads are wonderful things, defense is lovely, our system of education is questionable but I have to deal with it, water, etc. I wouldn’t be bothered by taxation so much, but my contributions are rarely used in the way they are supposed to be (social security trust fund) or programs end up being more expensive then they’re scored; also, I question the continued expansion of spending when our fiscal situation is in such disarray; without an increase in taxes, they cannot continue to spend the way they are planning to. We can’t keep borrowing from the Chinese to finance the deficit, etc. Neither major party gets this right. Would a third party? I don’t know, but that’s the possibility I’m looking for.

    Hell, if I could pay the majority of my taxes to the state, and send some to the Federal government for defense, I’d be even happier.

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  12. jared • 2 years ago

    Stunner – I refuse to get into blog pissing matches with anonymous posters. If you want to have a discussion on the issue of this post, then feel free.

    Mike – I don’t disagree that tax dollars are not properly used, you can read my letter to the IRS that I believe is still on this site. However, fixing this deficit problem we have is impossible. The entire system needs to collapse and be rebuilt, this is the only way. It is a vicious cycle, catch-22. The world cannot stop buying our debt because they need our economy to survive and we still pay our interest year in, year out. We can;t stop borrowing because we have to in order to survive.

    We need a Fight Club moment, destroy debt and start over, maybe that solves the problem. Probably not, though.

    Anyway, taxes suck, they are necessary, and if you don’t want to pay them find ways to decrease your tax burden. Other than that, we as citizens have zero control over how they are spent. A third party will not do any better. Once they get into power and get big enough it will be the same outcome. It would be nicer to pay more to local and a lot less to the national government though; at least then you directly see the results.

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  13. Mike • 2 years ago

    The deficit problem is fixable; discontinuing a whole slew of benefits would be the first step, although it is politically impossible (which probably proves your point).

    I’m one of those crazy, we should have stuck with the gold standard/no fed types, ala early Greenspan, in that our fiat system is designed so that we can continue to run deficits until it ultimately collapses, but feel that if we had a tangible store of wealth we would be limited in our ability to spend in such a way as to not run up so much debt and require the taxation we will be required to pay in the future.

    Though, just destroying the debt is probably easier, and more palatable.

    I guess my whole thing is more ideas, more points of contention, and less things happening keeps the congress healthy, less wealthy, and perhaps a little more wise. I like our system, we just have a political class that keeps those other ideas down a bit.

    I bet we could go back and forth for weeks, partially agreeing, and partially not.

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  14. jared • 2 years ago

    Our two party system is fine. If we had three or four, we might get new ideas, we might not. There are ‘experts’ outside of the political world that feed ideas to our two parties. If there were other parties, arguably these ideas could be fed to them, but they would be the same ideas. We need new thinkers, which requires better education and perhaps more immigration. Ideas don’t come from more parties or politicians, they come from academics. If the ideas are sound, then getting them into legislation is almost inevitable.

    Gold standard would have thwarted our extreme 80′s capitalist expansion, but remaining on it would have ensured a certain economic floor. US-China relations would have remained very sour. Gold prices would not be so high now. There would be more stability, but arguably less progress. I don’t think we would be here blogging.

    There are many changes we could make that have been proposed by mainstream political figures. Fixing health care is maybe a good first start; I don’t know if what they are doing now is actually going to fix it, but if it does there will be a huge economic impact over the next 10 years.

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  15. Mike • 2 years ago

    I don’t think I like the proposed fix, but from an economic standpoint it’s not all bad:

    Each hospital operating within the United States shall for each year establish (and update) and make public (in accordance with guidelines developed by the Secretary) a list of the hospital’s standard charges for items and services provided by the hospital, including for diagnosis-related groups. – Ezra Klein

    This sort of transparency is sorely lacking now; you could say it keeps prices higher as people are not in contact with pricing so much (third parties handling the bill, you get a passing glance without a second thought).

    The only problem with the current solution is, most of the budget fixes depend on Congress’ ability to vote for cuts in future budgets, as well as having costs actually match their predictions. As we’ve seen in the past, final costs are generally much higher than predicted.

    jared: Ideas don’t come from more parties or politicians, they come from academics.If the ideas are sound, then getting them into legislation is almost inevitable.

    But what I mean is that our two parties now are so alike that the choice is really about the speed with which you want to go in terms of government expansion. New ideas can come from academia only when those ideas are allowed in. I think you get ideas skewed in a given direction (left or right in cycles), and all others are left out in that they aren’t given any legitimacy whether they deserve it or not. This doesn’t bode well for the inevitability of any idea that is not already within the pantheon of accepted thought.

    Given this, and for a moment let’s pretend it’s true, how then do we introduce new ideas? This is assuming the experts are in academia. Do we wait for a new cycle of thought, and what if that thought is so entrenched as to limit that cycle?

    Ah, but inflation is necessarily bad for the saver rather than the expander of capital. If I decide right now to take my earnings and store them away in a mattress some where, they will be worth less to me when I decide to cut the mattress open (assuming an ever expanding rate of inflation) than they would have been if I had just spent it at the time of, or near the time of, earning it. Gold, or just about any other valuable metal, depending on the condition of the commodity, tends to remain quite valuable, and in general you could say that a given weight of gold today will purchase the same goods now as it did say one hundred years prior. But of course without a real commodity to back the money supply, it is subject to the machinations of whoever is in charge, thus distorting it’s value and making the frugal less ‘wealthy’ over time.

    What we have now, really, is distorted progress. I’d take a different line of work perhaps in exchange for fiscal and national stability in the long run.

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  16. Mike • 2 years ago

    Ah, but inflation is necessarily bad for the saver rather than the expander of capital. If I decide right now to take my earnings and store them away in a mattress some…

    This whole bit makes me sound like a jackass. I know you know this, I guess it’s just me getting out why I like commodity backed currencies.

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  17. Albert • 2 years ago

    What the fuck are you guys talking about here? Come have a brew dog.

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  18. Mike • 2 years ago

    Just got home from Chicago man. But would enjoy a brew sometime soon.

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